Purpose

Packaging and maintaining kernel modules for CentOS Stream.

Membership Update

The SIG elected Peter Georg and Jonathan Billings as co-chairs.

No SIG members have been added since the SIG has been approved (June 9th).

New Packages

No packages have been released yet.

Health and Activity

The Kmods SIG has been approved recently. So far it has mainly been busy with bootup activities and establishing packaging guidelines.

Communication

Regular meetings are scheduled every two weeks (on even weeks) on Monday 1500 UTC in #centos-meeting. Everyone is welcome to join!

Roadmap Decisions

  • License restrictions: The SIG agreed to provide GPLv2 kernel modules only for now. Review by Red Hat Legal is required for each specific non-GPLv2 kernel module before it can be packaged.
  • Kernel module packaging: The SIG agreed to work on kmod packages only for now. Other approaches, e.g. dkms and akmods, might be added at a later time.

Open Issues

  • Package structure for kernel modules: The SIG is currently looking at how to structure packages for kernel modules. Anyone familiar with packaging kernel modules is very much welcome to contribute to this discussion.
  • Signing kernel modules: This requires collaboration and further discussion with Infra SIG. Especially about how to securely store a SIG specific key that can be used in CBS, but is not accessible by any unauthorized person.

Issues for the Board

We have no issues to bring to the board’s attention at this time.

This report covers work that happened between April 2nd and June 30th. For previous work, see the 2021Q1 report.

Purpose

The Hyperscale SIG focuses on enabling CentOS Stream deployment on large-scale infrastructures and facilitating collaboration on packages and tooling.

Membership update

Since the last update, the SIG gained one new member (Jim Heald).

We welcome anybody that’s interested and willing to do work within the scope of the SIG to join and contribute. See the membership section on the wiki for the current members list and how to join.

Releases and Packages

Unless otherwise specified, packages are available in our main repository, which can be enabled with dnf install centos-hyperscale-release. Please report any issues with these packages on our package-bugs tracker.

systemd

Our most recent backport of systemd is version 248 based on the Fedora packaging. This release includes a host of new features including system extension images and systemd-oomd.

systemd-oomd was declared stable in systemd 248 and was adopted in Fedora 34 as the default userspace out-of-memory killer. It monitors memory pressure thresholds and kills processes at the cgroup level. The systemd-oomd-defaults package, which provides the policy used by Fedora, is also backported to our repository.

In addition to release builds, we’re also producing daily systemd builds via the CentOS CI infrastructure. These builds track the upstream git head and can be useful to test the latest changes and features, while also helping spot potential build issues ahead of time.

Finally, we’ve published a staging tree and our build and release scripts to make future development work more accessible to contributors.

LLVM

A non-modular version of the LLVM 12 compiler suite is now shipped in Hyperscale. This is meant as a stopgap, and will be removed once a modular version of LLVM 12 becomes available in CentOS Stream proper.

Because this is a set of non-modular packages overriding a module, it is being delivered in a new repository to be used as a modularity hotfix repository. This repository can be enabled with dnf install centos-release-hyperscale-hotfixes.

DNF/RPM stack with CoW support

An updated packaging stack (rpm, dnf, libdnf, librepo) is now available in the experimental repository. These packages include several improvements and bugfixes to support the ongoing Copy-on-Write work. The experimental repo can be enabled with dnf install centos-release-hyperscale-experimental.

Kernel

We have a 5.12.4 release of the Linux kernel currently in our experimental repository. This kernel has btrfs and Kernel Live Patching enabled. We’ve taken steps to ensure our nascent kernel process is compatible with kernel-ark to enable smoother updates and CI.

kpatch

We ship a modified version of kpatch 0.9.3 that includes a few additional backports from upstream. Our packaging of kpatch also includes the kpatch-build tool, which can be used to convert kernel patches to be then applied onto a system that supports Kernel Live Patching.

Storage stack and Installer

We have rebuilt a number of components to restore Btrfs support:

  • libblockdev
  • python-blivet
  • udisks2

and built a backport of btrfs-progs. Additionally, we have branched and built the Anaconda installer based on version 33.16.5.2 with support for Btrfs restored and a number of backports from Anaconda 34 to enable building spins based on Hyperscale content. Our version of the installer also includes the anaconda-live package for supporting installation from live media.

Container image

A minimal container image based on the Hyperscale SIG repos and packages is now available on Quay.io and can be used via Docker or Podman:

podman run -a stdin,stdout,stderr -t quay.io/centoshyperscale/centos:stream8

This container image is built from scratch, and in the future we plan to leverage the CentOS CI infrastructure to automate the build process.

Live media

An experimental CentOS Hyperscale Workstation Live DVD image is now available. This image is currently based on the GNOME desktop shipped in CentOS Stream 8 and is combined with the packages we’ve shipped in the Hyperscale SIG, notably the live installer and storage stack software. A KDE Plasma variant is forthcoming.

The live media is built using livecd-creator from the LiveCD Tools provided by the livecd-tools package in EPEL. We published the kickstarts as well.

Issues with this image can be reported on our spin-bugs tracker.

libvirt

We ship an updated backport of libvirt 7.1.0. Due to CBS being unable to build modules, this is shipped as a non-modular package in the hotfixes repository mentioned earlier.

mock-centos-sig-configs

We have announced the availability of a mock-centos-sig-configs project to hold mock configurations for CentOS SIGs. The goal is to make it easier to build packages against a given SIG when doing local testing and development. The project currently contains configs for the Hyperscale SIG, but other SIGs are welcome to contribute their configs as well.

Other packages

There are several other backports we’re shipping within the SIG:

We’re also made available a modified version of util-linux 2.32.1 that includes support for setpriv --reset-env and for the CAP_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE capability.

Health and Activity

The SIG continues to maintain a healthy development pace.

Meetings

The SIG holds regular bi-weekly meetings on Wednesdays at 16:00 UTC. Meetings are logged and the minutes for past meetings are available.

The SIG uses the #centos-hyperscale IRC channel for ad-hoc communication and work coordination, and the centos-devel mailing list for async discussions and announcements. As of April, the SIG also holds open monthly video conference sessions to promote collaboration and social interaction.

Conference talks

An update on the SIG was presented at CentOS Dojo, May 2021 (recording). SIG activities were also covered as part of LISA21 (recording), and another talk has also been submitted for DevConf.us 2021.

As of June, Neal Gompa has been streaming ad-hoc SIG-related work sessions on his Twitch channel. To this end, we have created a dedicated CentOSHyperscale channel that we plan to use going forward to promote and collate SIG related content.

Planned work

The SIG tracks pending work as issues on our Pagure repository. Notable projects currently in flight include:

  • productionize the Live media image
  • integrate btrfs transactional updates as an optional feature
  • setup a continuous build pipeline for the container image on the CentOS CI infrastructure
  • integrate our kernel development process with kernel-ark
  • build a set of Hyperscale-enabled Cloud images
  • enable fsverity support in rpm

Issues for the Board

We have no issues to bring to the board’s attention at this time.

This is a followup to our earlier post regarding CentOS' move to the Libera IRC network.

Thanks primarily to the efforts of John "Bahhumbug" and our other IRC ops, the move has been completed, and all channels have been moved from Freenode to irc.Libera.chat, complete with the topics, bots, access lists, and supporting documentation.

Note also that we have a list of channels in the wiki, which includes channels for specific topics, such as #centos (our general/main channel), #centos-devel for developer and other technical questions, #centos-stream for CentOS Stream specific questions, and several others.

You will need to re-register your user account on Libera, as these were not migrated over.

We look forward to seeing you on Libera.chat!

 

The CentOS Board of Directors is delighted to welcome two new directors - Davide Cavalca and Josh Boyer - to the Board.

Please join us in welcoming them, and thanking them for their willingness to dedicate some of their time to the endeavor of steering the CentOS Project.

Once again, we thank outgoing directors Karsten Wade and Carl Trieloff for their years of service.

(Yes, we're a little late this month. Sorry about that.)

Dear CentOS Enthusiasts,

Here's what's happening around the CentOS community lately.

CentOS Linux 8.4 Released

We are pleased to announce the general availability of the latest version of CentOS Linux 8. Effective immediately, this is the current release for CentOS Linux 8 and is tagged as 2105, derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 Source Code. More details are available at https://blog.centos.org/2021/06/centos-linux-8-2105-released/

CentOS Stream Q&A at LISA '21

At the recent USENIX/LISA conference, Mike McGrath and Gunnar Hellekson hosted a Q&A session for discussion of what's happening in CentOS Stream, and other related topics around the CentOS community. The video is available on YouTube, and we welcome your further questions, which you can bring to any of our mailing lists or other public forums.

Topics discussed include proposed special interest groups (SIGs), the downstream rebuild projects, the various Free RHEL offerings, and many other things.

IRC Moving To Libera.Chat

Due to recent changes in the management of the Freenode IRC network, the CentOS project has decided to move our IRC presence off of Freenode over to the new Libera.chat network. The CentOS community continues to maintain a number of IRC channels for simple text-based discussion of a variety of topics around the project.

There are many IRC clients available, or, if you prefer, you can connect with the web client which Libera provides.

CPE Is Hiring

The Community Platform Engineering group, or CPE for short, is the Red Hat team combining IT and release engineering from Fedora and CentOS. Our goal is to keep core servers and services running and maintained, build releases, and other strategic tasks that need more dedicated time than volunteers can give.

CPE is hiring new talent to come work full time on Fedora and CentOS. You can read more details in their blog post, (two of the positions are already filled) or apply directly here:

SIGs

Special Interest Groups (SIGs) are probably the most exciting part of the CentOS project, where people come together to do interesting things on top of the CentOS platform. There's been a lot of SIG activity in recent months, with new SIGs being proposed and approved.

SIG Process Review

Over the last few weeks we have been collecting feedback from SIG participants about the existing SIG process, and ways that we can improve it and make it more transparent and accessible to a wider audience.

The notes from that exercise are in THIS blog post, and will be the basis of some policy rewriting that the Community Architect will be doing over the coming months. If you're interested in being involved in that process, please watch the centos-devel mailing list for more information once that process starts.

Virtualization SIG

- upstream released 4.4.6 based on CentOS Stream 8
- oVirt within VIrt SIG released builds to CentOS Stream repos
- oVirt Spring 2021 survey results available: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1RcSzRQ2YmB2U3MNlWk0YqTVFdGYIdguk46K2A-DZEvc/viewanalytics showing good adoption of CentOS Stream and growing interest in new distributions based on RHEL 8.

OpsTools SIG

Purpose

Provide tools and documentation, recommendation and best practices for operators of large infrastructure.

Membership update

Sadly, we did not attract new volunteers to contribute to the SIGs purposes, but at the same time, we didn't loose any.

Activity

After initial euphoria setting up the SIG and getting to work, we can now observe a kind of settlement. We are still working on the upgrade of collectd to version 5.12. At the same time, and a bit related, collectd upstream has a CI issue we can not fix at the moment. Thus, there was a mirror organisation created and work is ongoing to establish a working CI there.

There is also an interest in investigating in loki as tool to allow multi-tenant log aggregation.

Following the lead of the CentOS project itself, we have switched our IRC channel over to libera.chat.

Issues for the board

Nothing to report.

 

Proposed: Kmods SIG

There's a proposal for a kmods SIG that will come before the Board of Directors next month. The proposal is now in the wiki, and available for your comments.

The kmods SIG will focus on providing kernel modules currently not available in CentOS Stream. If you have comments about the proposal, or want to volunteer to be involved, please bring your comments to the thread on the centos-devel mailing list.

New: CentOS Stream Feature Request SIG

In the May Board meeting, the CentOS Stream Feature Request SIG was approved, and they had their first meeting to discuss how things are going to work. The SIG exists to serve as a gate for feature requests that are first developed in CentOS Stream from contributors who wish to request these features to be included in future RHEL releases.

If you are interested in being involved in this SIG, or if you have changes that you are interested in getting in to either CentOS Stream or future RHEL releases, plan to attend the next meeting, which will be at 16:00 UTC on Tuesdays.

Rebuild Community News

Our friends in the Alma project recently announced their AlmaLinux OS 8.4 release.

And you can read the news from the Rocky Linux project HERE.

Get Swag

Want CentOS swag? We've got shirts at HelloTux, and caps and shirts at the Red Hat Cool Stuff Store.

Release for CentOS Linux 8 (2105)

We are pleased to announce the general availability of the latest 
version of CentOS Linux 8. Effectively immediately, this is the 
current release for CentOS Linux 8 and is tagged as 2105, derived 
from Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 Source Code.

As always, read through the Release Notes at:
http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS8.2105  - these notes
contain important information about the release and details about some
of the content inside the release from the CentOS QA team. These notes
are updated constantly to include issues and incorporate feedback from
users.

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Updates, Sources, and DebugInfos

Updates released since the upstream release are all posted, across all
architectures. We strongly recommend every user apply all updates,
including the content released today, on your existing CentOS Linux 8
machine by just running 'dnf update'.

As with all CentOS Linux 8 components, this release was built from
sources hosted at git.centos.org. Sources will be available from
vault.centos.org in their own dedicated directories to match the
corresponding binary RPMs.

Since there is far less traffic to the CentOS source RPMs compared with
the binary RPMs, we are not putting this content on the main mirror
network. If users wish to mirror this content they can do so using the
reposync command available in the yum/dnf-utils package. All CentOS
source RPMs are signed with the same key used to sign their binary
counterparts. Developers and end users looking at inspecting and
contributing patches to the CentOS Linux distro will find the
code hosted at git.centos.org far simpler to work against. Details on
how to best consume those are documented along with a quick start at:
http://wiki.centos.org/Sources

Debuginfo packages have been signed and pushed. Yum configs
shipped in the new release file will have all the context required for
debuginfo to be available on every CentOS Linux install.

This release supersedes all previously released content for CentOS
Linux 8, and therefore we highly encourage all users to upgrade their
machines. Information on different upgrade strategies and how to
handle stale content is included in the Release Notes.

Note that older content, obsoleted by newer versions of the same
applications are trim'd off from repos like extras/ and centosplus/

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Download

We produced the following installer images for CentOS Linux 8

# CentOS-8.4.2105-aarch64-boot.iso: 677838848 bytes
SHA256 (CentOS-8.4.2105-aarch64-boot.iso) = 106d9ce13076441c52dc38c95e9977a83f28a4c1ce88baa10412c1e3cc9b2a2b

# CentOS-8.4.2105-aarch64-dvd1.iso: 7325042688 bytes
SHA256 (CentOS-8.4.2105-aarch64-dvd1.iso) = 6654112602beec7f6b5c134f28cf6b77aedc05b2a7ece2656dacf477f77c81df

# CentOS-8.4.2105-ppc64le-boot.iso: 722780160 bytes
SHA256 (CentOS-8.4.2105-ppc64le-boot.iso) = 4a83e12f56334132c3040491e5894e01dfe5373793e73f532c859b958aeeb900

# CentOS-8.4.2105-ppc64le-dvd1.iso: 8484990976 bytes
SHA256 (CentOS-8.4.2105-ppc64le-dvd1.iso) = 9cfca292a59a45bdb1737019a6ac0383e0a674a415e7c0634262d66884a47d01

# CentOS-8.4.2105-x86_64-boot.iso: 758120448 bytes
SHA256 (CentOS-8.4.2105-x86_64-boot.iso) = c79921e24d472144d8f36a0d5f409b12bd016d9d7d022fd703563973ca9c375c

# CentOS-8.4.2105-x86_64-dvd1.iso: 9928966144 bytes
SHA256 (CentOS-8.4.2105-x86_64-dvd1.iso) = 0394ecfa994db75efc1413207d2e5ac67af4f6685b3b896e2837c682221fd6b2


Information for the torrent files and sums are available at
http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/isos/

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Additional Images

Vagrant and Generic Cloud images are available at:

http://cloud.centos.org/centos/8/

Amazon Machine Images for Amazon Web Services are published by ID into a
number of regions. A table of AMI IDs can be found here:

https://wiki.centos.org/Cloud/AWS

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Getting Help

The CentOS ecosystem is sustained by community driven help and
guidance. The best place to start for new users is at
http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp

We are also on social media, you can find the project:
on Twitter at  :http://twitter.com/CentOS
on Facebook at :https://www.facebook.com/groups/centosproject/
on LinkedIn at :https://www.linkedin.com/groups/22405

And you will find the core team and a majority of the contributors on
irc, on irc.Libera.chat in #centos ; talking about the finer points of
distribution engineering and platform enablement.

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Contributors

This release was made possible due to the hard work of many people,
foremost on that list are the Red Hat Engineers for producing a great
distribution and the CentOS QA team, without them CentOS Linux would
look very different. Many of the team went further and beyond
expectations to bring this release to you, and I would like to thank
everyone for their help.

We are also looking for people to get involved with the QA process in
CentOS, if you would like to join this please introduce yourself on
the centos-devel list
(http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel).

Finally, please join me in thanking the donors who all make this
possible for us.

Enjoy the fresh new release!

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

Quorum and started at :05

Directors in attendance were:

  • Jim Perrin
  • Tru Huynh
  • Pat Riehecky
  • Mike McLean
  • Brian Exelbierd (Red Hat Liaison)
  • Thomas Oulevey (Secretary)

Others in attendance:

  • Rich Bowen (Community Manager, Chair)
  • Amy Marrich
  • Alfredo Moralejo
  • Josh Boyer
  • Davide Cavalca
  • Paul Isaac’s

Topic:  CentOS Stream Feature Request SIG approval

  • The SIG was approved. Closing issue [#33].

Topic: Departure of Board members and Board nominations

  • Cleaning up accesses from old board members. Tracking progress in [#44].
  • 6 nominations received. Nomination process is still open. Board is happy to keep the nomination process open for a few more weeks.
  • Candidates will be contacted in advance before names are published. Interview with the board will follow.

Proposal: Monthly meeting with the community to discuss board meeting outcome

  • Monthly meeting, scheduled for the week after a board meeting, where board members can discuss the meeting with the community
  • Approved, Rich will check the best format (IRC, other ?) and propose a timeslot.

Reviewed issues :

Adjournment at :38

Thank you to everyone who responded to my call for feedback on the SIG process. A few people responded on-list. More people responded off-list. I’ve summarized common complaints, and in a few cases provided comments verbatim - especially when they already went to a public list.

Please see the centos-devel mailing list for further discussion of what happens next.

The following areas were identified by one or more people as pain points in the SIG process.

Purpose of SIGs

Several people said that we do a poor job of communicating what SIGs are for, what should be a SIG, whether something should be a SIG or part of EPEL, and, in general, what the value of a SIG is.

When SIGs were introduced, they were meant to provide an incubator for projects in the CentOS space and also to provide infra/space to give projects a chance to CI test within CentOS, i.e "how does your project work on CentOS?" Has that focus been dropped? If not, would it be a good idea to reinforce the message?

We need to make it clear that Red Hat still has an interest in CentOS. That message would also be valuable for [Red Hat employees]. CentOS is an important place to put Red Hat’s “upstream first” message into action, but this often gets ignored.

Proposal process

Almost everyone said that the proposal process was vague and opaque.

It is unclear what the board is looking for in a proposal. While there is a template - https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/ProposalTemplate - examples of good proposals, and what kind of specific things the board will look for, would make this process easier.

Access to the wiki to post the initial proposal is a bit of a chicken-and-egg - that is, without a SIG, who has authority to edit a wiki page for the SIG?

The deliberation/discussion of the proposal should happen on-list, not hidden/secret in board meetings. This will also give other potential projects insight into what they should be thinking about in their proposals.

Onboarding

Several people said that onboarding was confusing and undocumented, and seemed to assume you already know what you’re supposed to do.

Note: Several people specifically called out Fabian Arrotin as being extremely helpful in this setup process, with the caveat that he may not scale if we start getting more SIGs onboarding.

The “what’s next” after a SIG has been approved is very unclear. Once approved, what is the process for getting resources set up?

In the past, the SIG onboarding was often gated on one person, and getting their attention was difficult. This should be better with the new Infra sig.

One of the biggest hurdles is the repo setup (deciding on the cbs/koji setup, naming, setting up repositories for mirrors, etc). If you have never touched koji before, this is going to be tough for you. We need much better onboarding documentation for beginners, along with recommended best practices.

If you’re not a Red Hat “insider,” there’s a good chance that your SIG proposal will be ignored, or at least not given priority. The onboarding for [several SIGs] too more than a year - not because it was controversial, but because nobody prioritized it.

Ongoing communication

A number of respondents commented from the contributor side, about the lack of information/communication from SIGs.

The SIG wiki page says that quarterly reporting is required, but the majority of SIGs do not report, and there is no consequence for failing to report.

It is very difficult to find out from the SIGs themselves what opportunities there are for involvement. One respondent replied “I'd like to be more deeply involved in the [name] SIG. It's always a surprise to me how much I push to be a part of the group and how little opportunity there is.”  SIGs need to be much more proactive in what volunteer opportunities there are.

Some SIGs have weekly meetings, some monthly, and some never meet. This is very frustrating to people who want to get involved in the SIGs, but don’t know where to start.

Having an easier, documented way to contact a SIG with questions or offers of help is needed. Right now, we have out-of-date wiki pages with inaccurate lists of SIG members, and no way to contact them even if it was accurate.

SIG wiki pages must be updated with current information. They should also have a standard format, so that basic required information is always available.

Developer Experience

Several developers complained that they were just expected to know what to do, and not provided much guidance or advice as to how to proceed.

Clearer documentation (or pointers to documentation elsewhere) about package building, and how to set up a CI environment.

It would help if every SIG had the same buildroot setup, so that you know what to expect, and moving from one SIG to another was easier. This will increase cross-SIG engagement.

Developer experience on git.centos.org and CBS. Notably:

- the lack of a working PR workflow: https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/228 and  https://pagure.io/pagure/issue/4533

- the way the lookaside works: https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/259

- hard to discover clone URLs: https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/245

- support for modularity in CBS: https://pagure.io/centos-infra/issue/294

The PR workflow in particular is problematic -- right now we rely on SIG members pushing directly to the repos, which makes code review difficult. It's also a blocker for external contributions (as, though one can technically put up a PR, there is no way to actually merge it).

I would love to have something closer to the workflow in Fedora. specifically:

- allow SIG members to review and merge PRs onto their branch

- kick off scratch builds on PRs to get signal

We need a way for  SIGs to publish structured documentation on docs.centos.org, akin to the "quick docs" model that Fedora uses.

Missing -devel subpackages (I know this has been discussed a lot and fix is in progress).

I'd like to build, tag and push release rpms (as centos-release-openstack). In CentOS7 we could build and tag by ourselves (although it needed infra action to push). In CentOS8 we need to rely on CentOS infra to build and publish them in extras repos.

 

TL;DR: #centos and #centos-* are moving to libera.chat

Over the past few days, there has been some upheaval on the Frenode IRC network, resulting in a number of the staff members quitting and starting a new IRC network. I don't wish to explain all the details here, but you can read more at https://kline.sh which also links to other sources.

The various ops have discussed the situation, and we intend to migrate all of the various #centos-* channels from Freenode over to libera.chat over the coming days.

This will take time, since libera is still spinning up, and some servers are moving from one network to the other.

As libera is still in the early stages of setup, you may have significantly more timeouts/disconnects, netsplits and other issues for now. Until the new network is fully stable, we'll all continue to be present in the Freenode channels.

Please bring further questions to the IRC channels, which you can join on irc.libera.chat.

The Community Platform Engineering group, or CPE for short, is the Red Hat team combining IT and release engineering from Fedora and CentOS. Our goal is to keep core servers and services running and maintained, build releases, and other strategic tasks that need more dedicated time than volunteers can give.

See our wiki page here for more information: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/

We are hiring new talent to come work full time on Fedora and CentOS. The following positions are now open:

  • LATAM-based Associate / Engineer level, perfect for someone new to the industry or someone early in their career. We are looking for an infrastructure focused hire.

  • Associate / Engineer level in India. This is more a software engineering / DevOps focused role, perfect for graduates or people early in their career.

  • EMEA-based Associate Manager. We are looking for a people focused Manager to join our team to help with the people management workload. This is perfect for aspiring managers looking to move into their first management role or for anybody early in their people management career.

Please note that due to a constraint in how the jobs system works, a single country is nominated for the advertisement. Please kindly ignore that, two of the roles are available in the geographical regions outlined above.

We are looking forward to meeting you and hopefully working with you soon!